Workshop Machinery-automotive repair shop equipment-Wheel balancers new and used

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By earnestshub

Wheel balancers have had to change lately to accommodate the very large wheels now available for many cars.

The thing is though, unless you run an auto shop that specialises in balancing modern wheels or selling tires for them, it may be better to outsource the few large wheel balance jobs and keep your old machine at least until we see where this large wheel trend ends.

Most early wheel balancers will do up to 18" wheels in several different balancing modes, including stick on balance weights and inside weights used on some alloy wheels that require them.

Wheel balancers like all automotive equipment, work very hard and quality machinery is essential. Don't get caught with a cheap one. You will regret it daily!

There are many good makes and models of wheel balancers that are now reasonably priced because they will not balance wheels above 19 or 20 inches in size.

The ones I have reconditioned and tested are listed in order of my preferences, but all have their place.

Coats 700

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Coats

Coats have been making wheel balancers forever! All of their early and late model automotive equipment  has been first class apart from some easily broken touch pads at one time on their truck wheel balancers they have very few problems.

Most of their machines have big heavy motors and can take on a very heavy wheel/tire combination with ease.

The later ones used smart clutch start to be able to handle heavy work. Simple yet sophisticated these are amongst my favourite wheel balancers.

The very compact 700 series is a great little balancer that can handle big jobs.

The balancing speed is slow and this unit does not require a protection cover.

Amongst the bigger 3 phase wheel balancers this one is a favourite.  the Beissbarth 730.
Amongst the bigger 3 phase wheel balancers this one is a favourite. the Beissbarth 730.

Beissbarth have made some wonderful equipment but in repairing their wheel balancers I have found some models to be better than others, as with other excellent products such as Hoffman who although making great automotive equipment and machinery,  have made a few lemons as well over the years, so careful buying a used one unless you know the models and their shortcomings. If you have a good technician Hoffmans can be sorted and made near bulletproof by changing a few chips.

One way to judge a balancer is by who is using them, and both Hoffman and Beissbarth have a solid following from major car manufacturers which does give them heaps of credibility.

Wheel balancer cones and wheel mounting tools are expensive to buy and calibration usually cost over $80 call-out charged and $80 an hour or more for the technician.

The cheap Chinese balancers are as good as their tire changers with lousy cheap motherboards and even worse metallurgy.

You could not give me a Chinese wheel balancer after having worked on them!

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See below for free Beissbarth and other wheel balancer calibration procedures.

The famous Repco 472 wheel balancer

This is one of the worlds best balancers. Although they only balance up to 17" wheels and are 40 years old these are still a common sight in Australian workshops.
This is one of the worlds best balancers. Although they only balance up to 17" wheels and are 40 years old these are still a common sight in Australian workshops.

472 Repco wheel balancer.

Here you see the simple wheel mounting shaft.
Here you see the simple wheel mounting shaft.

Developed from the earlier 470 single phase the Repco 471 was even better. Reliable, accurate and well designed it sold like hot cross buns at Easter.

Only a few tools required to mount many different wheels, an easy set-up and legendary accuracy set these aside as a brilliant wheel balancer.

The early model did up to 14" wheels but was equally accurate, although some updates did occur with switch and other modifications it remained much the same until the 471 which took 16" wheels.

I have sold so many of these 471 and 472 balancers I lost count.

With all the balancers we rebuilt and sold these are a favourite to sell, because they are so reliable once mounted properly in place with 2 loxins holding two metal plates that fit over the base of the machine.

Wheel balancers need to be bolt mounted to the floor to perform properly.

I was fortunate enough to have the service manager of the factory that manufactured these and other machinery to offer advice and guidance on the ones I had for sale. He is a good friend, and a well known hubber his name on hubpages is agvulpes!

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Hello, hello, 21 months ago

Very well written and informativie. I keep telling my son he has to balance his wheels. I will pass it on.

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earnestshub Hub Author 21 months ago

Thank you for reading Hello, hello, I will be extending this hub as soon as I find some more machinery pictures I have on file from my workshop machinery business.

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agvulpes Level 3 Commenter 21 months ago

Hi earnestshub. You have quite a collection of Wheel Balancers up there and I appreciate your kind words. I'm proud to say that I was part of the early development of the Repco 470 range of Wheel Balancing machines. This machine was a fore-runner to all of the Electronic Wheel Balancers on the market today. Personally I think they have gone over the top with the development. There are so many variables when mounting a wheel on a vehicle and the balance is only a part of the equation. I still see the old Repco 471 range around today and in the right operators hands, still capable of giving a good wheel balance.

I certainly agree with you on the Chinese manufactured machines they have a long way to go before they will have a good product, the problem they will have is get enough quantity in their sales to warrant them being made.

I'm afraid I cannot agree with you on Beissbarth the experiences I had with them in the past leaves a lot to be desired and they need to improve their game to win back their reputation.

Very interesting Hub I'm looking forward to reading more of your Workshop machinery articles.

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earnestshub Hub Author 21 months ago

Hi agvulpes.

I am in awe of your experience with wheel balancers as well as other workshop machinery and equipment and felt privileged that you shared such essential knowledge when you consulted.

I smiled when I saw your comment on Beissbarth balancers, as you would know they had a stack of strife with one of their aligners, and my guess is that there is a hole in the wheel balancer knowledge I have that you have covered in your long career in the industry.

You should write a hub on your experience in bringing the 470 series of wheel balancers to the market. My guess is it would make a very interesting read.

Workshop machinery was developing quickly all over the world at this time, and you must have a great story to tell, if not hundreds!

Now off to the salt mines with you to write us a hub!

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agvulpes Level 3 Commenter 21 months ago

LOL well you are quite the slave driver aren't you :-)

Yes I do have some stories and yes I will write a hub about my experiences with the various Wheel Balancers.

I do appreciate your kind words but I'm not so sure that your should be in awe, maybe just respectful of your elders. lol

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earnestshub Hub Author 21 months ago

Glad to hear it agvulpes.

I am in awe because I learnt enough to understand some of the difficulties inherent in automotive machinery design and you guys were the real backbone and driving force behind solving all those dilemmas.

The fact that for most wheels the 470 is still a viable balancer after all these years is testament to that.

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Gefforyt 20 months ago

This is a great article on wheel balancers. We purchased a Hunter Road Force GSP9700 About 2 years ago. It truly is a top of the line wheel balancer. Very expensive but it paid for itself in the first year. It has roller arm that simulates road force and will measure tire and wheel run out, and will tell you the best possible fit and where to remount the tire on the wheel. If you get a free moment you should check it out. As with any premium service, customers will gladly pay a premium price

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earnestshub Hub Author 20 months ago

Great stuff Gefforyt. I am familiar with many of the Hunters we have here, but will need to research the GSP9700.

Come to think of it I may know it as something else in Australia, I will check.

I agree, a top line balancer can be a great profit centre if the service manager knows his stuff as you do.

Tony S. 18 months ago

Hi, we have an old Balco machine where i work which struggles to balance wheels 17 inch or bigger. Sometimes 16 inch rims can be too much for it.

Everything works as it should. the auto-brake cuts in after the spin and weights required are added, another spin to recalculate and the result is more weights required again. You could do this all day till you you ran out of weights!

Admittedly the balancer is old, but its a Balco machine which has settings on the dial for up to 17 inch wheels (maybe 18??)

Is there any hope for it? A recalibration somehow? Or is it time for it to be moved on.

Hope you can help.

Thank you.

Tony

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earnestshub Hub Author 18 months ago

The old Balco may have a fault if it wont hold it's calibration.

They are a great machine, and if you let me know which model it is I may have a clue.

Do you have the manual? If not I may have one I could send you. (free) in pdf format.

Tony S. 18 months ago

Hi, thanks very much for your time. The machine is a b930 handspin with wheel diameter show up to 17 then further sizes written in red up to 24 on the dial.

I agree the balancer is spot on when balancing wheels up to and including 15 inch wheels. Hopefully it can be fixed, and there we have no manual.

Thanks again for your time.

tony

Foofighterdave@hotmail.co.uk

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earnestshub Hub Author 18 months ago

Hi Tony, sorry about the time zones!

I do know the B930, but agvulpes is especially knowledgeable on wheel balancers and may offer some help on this forum, and I may have a manual for it.

Here is the calibration procedure.

http://www.agequipment.co.uk/b930cali.html

Tony 18 months ago

Thanks for the info and your help. We will give that a try.

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earnestshub Hub Author 18 months ago

Peter suggested moving the weights a little rather than chasing the balance. Good luck with it, if you need more help feel free to ask, it is always a pleasure for me when I can offer help.

terryb99 17 months ago

Balco b9.. series Weight chasing..

Calibrate it using 100grm LEAD WEIGHT on a popular 15" 16" OR 17" Steel wheel(it will then be most accurate on wheel YOU HAVE SELECTED)These balancers are very accurate and where other machines may tolerate any old weight and display Zero for these macHines you will need to invest in some 5Gram weights.When using hidden stick-on weights with modern deeply dished wide wheels select the mode that shows Stick-on weights on the outer rim edge but apply them inside.Apply less than indicated and add more to adjust to zero(usually in the same place ).Why? because when it was first designed the average wheel was rarely wider than 6" and the hidden weight mode was set to assume that the hidden central position would be only 4" from the rear edge of the rim, and that the well of the rim would effectively reduce the internal diameter by 2". WHICH IS WHY HIDDEN WEIGHT BALANCING Always USES SO MUCH MORE WEIGHT (On all Machines)

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earnestshub Hub Author 17 months ago

Thanks terry! Good information to assist with understanding wheel balancing.Your explanations are very clear.

Chris 16 months ago

Hi. I have an FMC model 2500 wheel balancer. It was supposedly working a week ago or so. Right now what happens is that it turns on and acts as normal. However, once the wheel starts spinning, it never stops or provides a weight correction or anything. I tried the calibration mode as well and the same thing happens. It spins forever and never stops. Any idea what the problem may be? Also, do you happen to have a manual for this model? Thanks so much!

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earnestshub Hub Author 16 months ago

Hi Chris. I will see if I can dig out a manual and send it to you. It sounds like one of the relays could have burned it's contacts, but I will try to refresh my memory. I should be back here within the hour with some help. OK, I found some information on the 2500. If it is the same as the 4100 which it probably is, then I can offer some help straight away. I have a parts manual and wiring diagram so far, and may be able to find an owners manual as well. Should have one somewhere!

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earnestshub Hub Author 16 months ago

Chris, here you will find calibration procedure for FMC 2500.

http://www.agequipment.co.uk/fmccal.html

If you need the other information I can send it in PDF.

You can send me your email from hubpages, no one will see it but myself.

Pertyfly 16 months ago

Thank you for the reply. I really appreciate it and would love whatever manuals you may have for it. My email is as follows. Chris-1 at Rogers.com. Also, you're thinking that it is a relay? Would you possibly have any further insight into this? I will tear it down and have a quick look as soon as I can. Again, thank you very much.

Chris

Pertyfly 16 months ago

Just another update/question. I read another forum which is regarding the 4100 and someone said to do f50 and press spin. You then rotate manually and it should read from 000-255. Mine jumps back and forth from 000 to 001. It seems everytime the eye gets a sensor input it does this. Now my question, how is the unit told to stop spinning? Does it reach a certain number of revolutions or is it a time limit or what? I also tested both relays and they are just fine. Also, just a clarification to my initial post - it stops if I lift the hood or press stop. Just not on it's own. This is why I think that whatever initiates the slowdown/stop cycle is not cutting in. Thanks.

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earnestshub Hub Author 16 months ago

Pertyfly, I will send you what I can find, and will ask agvulpes on hubpages what he knows about the likely cause of the switching fault. I will work through this with you if I can. If the hood switch and stop switch are working, it may be fixable by recalibration, as it seems it is not satisfied with it's own results, so runs on. I will know more later today. Some wheel balancers can be a pain when they give trouble.

Larry 15 months ago

Great article .. .. I have used this machine to mount and balance 17 inch wheels + tires see

http://www.readywheels.com/wheel-and-tire-packages

Terry-Ingenious 15 months ago

Does any one know where to get spare parts for or who can repair a Repco 471A Wheel Balancer in or around Brisbane Qld.

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earnestshub Hub Author 15 months ago

Someone will know, I will ask around for you.

Terry-Ingenious 15 months ago

Thank you, The transformer & capaciter inside the top box have fried. Even a wiring diagram would help if any one has one.

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earnestshub Hub Author 15 months ago

I can help with a wiring diagram.

I will build a pdf and send it to your email if you like. I will ask my friend agvulpes about the parts. You may be able to buy both new if there is something to replace them.

Stay tuned, and check your email.

Terry-Ingenious 15 months ago

That would be much appreciated. This balancer has been in our family since it was new, and as far as I can remember has never required calabration or repairs. Wouldn't be nice if all our workshop equipment was as reliable as these were.

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earnestshub Hub Author 15 months ago

I had a look in my files and have only turned up the users manual so far. I think I may have a PDF on my old laptop, I'll boot it up and take a look later. I have one somewhere.

Ninu  15 months ago

My father just bought a repco 471a balancer but the needles that show how far out the wheel dont work any ideas?

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earnestshub Hub Author 15 months ago

Ninu, check to see that the cable is connected. You will have to pull the top cover off to see the other end of the cable.

Ninu 14 months ago

Thank you.

We were able to get one niddle (that reads the out side of the rim) to work but the other niddle dosent read anything. Could that niddle be faulty?

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Ninu, it is possible that one of them could be broken, but it is unlikely from my experience. I will not be able to help until Friday when I can get access to the information. In the meantime isolate the meter and check it for continuity with a multimeter.

Ninu 14 months ago

That would be much appreciated. Thank you

Terry-Ingenious 14 months ago

Earnestshub, Any luck with agvulpes (spare parts) or a wiring diagram for the 471A.

Thank You.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Hi Terry, ag got back last night, I will not ring him again till tomorrow now, as he was a bit tired last night.

Ninu  14 months ago

Hi Earnestshub just woundering while you were looking for some information that may help my father and i, would you also know how to calibrate the repco 471A balancer for when we get it working

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

I will get the calibration procedure asap Ninu.

Ninu 14 months ago

Earnestshub, Any luck

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

A lot on my mid Ninu, I forgot! I will try to contact Peter now.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Nino did I send you a 472 manual? I think the instructions are close enough to suit the 471A. Peter has forgotten the sequence, as I have, but I do recall you start with a 14-15 or 16 inch perfectly balanced wheel. The adjustments are made on the potentiometers inside the head that effect a current change to the meters. Peter has gone to look for the information, in the mean time I will check another hard drive I have for the data.

I still have a lot of manuals, but these Repco 471's are getting harder to find.

JohnK 14 months ago

I am a looking to buy a balancer for my home shop. I can't justify a high end expensive machine. You say Chinese machines are no good, and I would guess that they are the bulk of the balancers in the lower price range. I have been searching the web and I haven't seen any ads which list the country of origin. How does a potential buyer identify which machines are Chinese made? I am uneasy buying a used balancer such as a Coats, for fear of buying a machine that may be inaccurate, or has a problem the seller didn't mention. Can you recommend a good low priced balancer? Something in the $1,000.00 price range.

Terry-Ingenious 14 months ago

Hi JohnK,

I also have the same conflict, If I don't or can't repair my existing antique Repco 471A, I can't justify the dollars (compaired with how many balances we do) for a new "Good" brand name machine so it's either new chinese or take the risk buying second hand.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Buy yourself a Coats 700. Easy and safe to operate, easy to repair, cheap to buy, reliable as it gets.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

I have found the service manual for the 472 which I can send to you if you like. Otherwise look at the Coats 700 I mentioned above.

Johnk 14 months ago

Are you suggesting a "used" Coats 700 would be better than a new Chinese machine? A "used" Coats 700 here in Northeast America costs around $1,200-1,500 US dollars, depending on age and condition, which is more than I had planned to spend. Should I choose to spend the extra money, and buy a Coats, what should I look for to tell if it is working correctly before I buy it. Are there any other good machines you would recommend in case I can't find a used Coats 700 that would fit in my budget?

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

In Australia I can buy a used Coats 700 for around 1k, a new Chinese one such as "Launch" for about 2.5k.

The metallurgy in the launch is crud, the motherboard is crud, and parts when you attempt to buy them are usually pulled off a failed machine, service is non existent.

One of the reasons the Coats is so good is it is slow revving and safe as well as reliable, service and parts are a breeze, even for an old one.

Yes I would recommend several other machines, such as Corghi, Sice, Beissbarth, but the Coats is common and easy to find in good condition, small and easy to operate, self calibrating and reliable.

You can buy any of the old named ones that have been bought out and continued under other names, such as the FMC which is called something else these days.

Almost all the manufacturers have changed hands recently and have gone through a branding war similar to the auto industry has with cars. Names like Hunter and John Bean are also among that list.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Those seeking assistance or manuals can get in contact with me at earnestster@gmail.com

I will help where I can.

Johnk 14 months ago

There is a Coats 700 for sale here for $1200, with the light truck cones, but that price might be negotiable.Are there any common problems with the Coats 700 that I should know about before looking at this one? Something you might want to check out before buying?

Wheel Balancing Weights 14 months ago

Maintaining the tire balance on your vehicle is critical to receiving satisfactory service from your tire investment. In addition to providing a smooth ride, balancing is a key component in tire wear.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Well the first thing I would do is offer $800!

Not much to worry about if it will balance a wheel.

If not, it could have a number of problems, but that number may not cost as much as a mistake like buying a Chinese wheel balancer.

JohnK 14 months ago

I offered $800 he went to $1000 and won't budge. At $1000, he is at the price of a brand new Atlas balancer, so I'm back to square one, New or used.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

If it is clean, with all it's tools in good shape and has a decent speed nut such as a Haweka, I would pay 1k providing it has not come out of a busy tire shop and done a stack of work, it will be a lot more durable than the atlas.

JohnK 14 months ago

The fellow selling the Coats 700 owns a auto repair shop, not a tire store and I have no way of telling how much he used it although he said he replaced it with a balancer that cost $14,000. This would tell me he does a lot of tires else he couldn't justify a $14,000 purchase. I was looking at the Ranger balancer also. Is Ranger a Chinese machine too?

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

I would leave it there if he is buying a 14k machine. Many of the "American" wheel balancers are made in China these days. The price is the best indicator of where it was made. Coats even have some models made in China. I have yet to see a decent Chinese wheel balancer, and have worked on many. They even copy design faults when they copy a machine. Eg: the Launch that copied the FMC, copied the crappy valve body design as well!

I believe you should be able to find a low use genuine Coats 700 for AU$800.

Johnk 14 months ago

I'll keep looking.

You don't happen to know about tire changers too, do you? I need one of them also.

Thanks for your advice.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

Hi John, yes, I sold and serviced all auto shop equipment.

Same advice. Avoid Chinese tire changers.

I would need to know what type of wheels you are dealing with. If you need to do run flat, the latest low profile tires, or very large wheels you will need side assist technology which is a lot more expensive than a simple tire changer.

Good makes to buy used are, Butler, Beissbarth, Coats, Cormach, Faip, Hunter, Rav, Sice, Cemb.

Johnk 14 months ago

HaHa How did I know you would say "Don't buy a Chinese tire changer."

I am looking and saving for the changer. Haven't found any good used ones yet. Mostly old rough looking machines, and no rim clamp changers at all.

I will be changing mostly OEM wheels and maybe a random aftermarket wheel. Probably nothing bigger than a 20 wheel, if even that big.

I thought I read that the older machines such as the Coats 4040 won't handle tires bigger than 15",, but I don't know if that's true. I also read that rim clamp is the only type to buy considering todays wheel trends.

I'm in no rush to find one now, because I am more concerned with my balancer purchase.

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earnestshub Hub Author 14 months ago

The coats will handle up to 18" as I remember. The earliest of them fitted 17" Too old anyway, and as hard as hell on rims unless your operator is familiar with this model. They are certainly robust enough to rip any tire off, and ideal for dirty work.

I would be looking around for a failed business that was over capitalized. You will in time pick up a nice clean machine with the full monty. Dual side-assist has been around a few years now, and Faip, Beissbarth should be available from fully equipped smaller auto shops that fail with great regularity. I have used many tire changers that are awkward, and you need to watch your back bending over the big mounting tables on some of them.

Butler make a good unit that has been out about 10 years. I have seen several that were in top condition in smaller and larger outlets. Nice quality and easy to use.

Johnk 14 months ago

I did a search of 100 miles around me and there was only one coats 5060 changer for $1500. Everything else was either Chinese or big bucks. I didn't see any of the other brands you mentioned.

I used a coats 10-10 for a couple years and there is a 40-40 that looked pretty tempting but I don't want to buy yesterdays technology especially when the wheel industry is going to high tech.

I thought wheel balancers were pricey till I started looking at tire changers, boy what an eye opener.

I guess I'm going to have to save more money to up my budget.

JohnK 13 months ago

Are Hofman tire changers American made?

There is a Monty 12.SE-18 for sale on Ebay but I cannot find out any info on it. Not even on the Hofman web site.

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earnestshub Hub Author 13 months ago

Hoffman are a German machine sold and serviced by snapon in the USA. It sounds like an entry level that handles 18" wheels. I will find out more about it in my book when I find the time if you like.

A quality tire changer.

Johnk 13 months ago

There is a fellow not far from me selling the one on Ebay but I couldn't find out anything about the model he is selling. The price is in my range $700 USD, so if you could shed any light on this model I would be grateful.

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earnestshub Hub Author 13 months ago

Italian, made in 1991 or there-abouts. Takes 18" wheels.The price is right if it is in good condition. It will have a head that swings to the side, original color blue. Heavy and durable, but make sure it works. Parts for all tire changers are expensive. See a picture here.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/maryterp/Items.htm

Johnk 13 months ago

Thanks for the info, It look pretty good in the ad, but I will have to go and look at it and make sure it works OK.

Here is the ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hofmann-Model-Monty

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earnestshub Hub Author 13 months ago

That looks OK, check the table rams (the silver ones that lay flat under the table) to ensure they don't leak, check that the head locks down properly and that the drive that turns the wheel is strong. The best way to check it is with a tire that has heavy sidewalls, such as those found on light trucks, 4wd etc. Good luck, I hope you have a win. Try to get a manual with it. I may have one, but not sure.

John S 13 months ago

Hi, I own a Coats 700 Wheel Balancer and I think I need to replace the motor due to a bad bearing (which appears to be pressed to the motor). Does anybody know where I can buy a motor 110V on line? Thanks,

John

Johnk 13 months ago

I missed out on the Hoffman changer, so I'm still looking.

There seems to be an abundance of older Hoffman balancer and changers around, and above you mention that Hoffman made some lemon balancers. Could you tell me which models to avoid? Also are there some changers models to avoid too?

I did find a Coats 850 for sale. Is this a good model?

Sorry to ask you so many questions, but I think you are the only one on the internet who is willing to help folks like me, and I am very grateful for all your help.

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earnestshub Hub Author 13 months ago

I can't recall which models had all the trouble with the Z80 component but I would avoid them altogether if you don't know them.

The 850 is a fine machine.

In changers avoid old beissbarth with 3 jaws (clutch trouble)If you see a make and model, just post it here and I will fill you in where I can.

Be careful of some early FMCs that have unusual jaws that are now impossible to buy.

Some good makes are Coats, Cormach. Eagle, Faip, GS. Rav, GS, Butler, John Bean.

I hope this helps.

Johnk 13 months ago

How about Hunter balancers and changers?

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earnestshub Hub Author 13 months ago

Hunter make good equipment as well, we don't have a lot of them in Australia, but the ones I have seen were high quality.

SEEAuto 12 months ago

hello Earnestshub, we recently purchased a used FMC 2500 wheel balancer and unfortunately, it did not come with a calibration weight. We can't seem to locate one as FMC is no longer in business. Any suggestions? Thank you!!!

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earnestshub Hub Author 12 months ago

Yes, Snap-on will be able to supply an equivalent weight from another model that will fit. You just need to talk to a helpful rep.

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earnestshub Hub Author 12 months ago

Yes, Snap-on Tools will be able to supply an equivalent weight from another model that will fit. You will need to talk to a helpful rep who knows them well.

It has been too long for me to remember the details off hand. If you don't get any assistance, contact me again.

For calibration information go to http://www.agequipment.co.uk/frames.html

Rodders 11 months ago

Photo doesn't show the insides of any Balco wheel balancer I ever saw!

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earnestshub Hub Author 11 months ago

That would be because it is not a wheel balancer!

It's an early computer in a Balco wheel aligner showing the board! Thanks, I'll fix the pic!

inter_e 11 months ago

Hello, and I hope you can help me out. I just purchased a FMC 2500 wheel balancer and it was suppose to work fine. I brought it home and tried to calibrate it with the calibration weight and it gave me a CAL ER both times, which in the manual says that I might need a servics rep. Well I live in Saranac, MI. and there is no one around to help. Do you know of some steps that I can try to fix this or diagnois the problem. I am prety handy with electronics but don't know where to start. I do have it on a level concrete floor but it is not bolted down yet, if that makes a difference. Thank you very much for your time and reading my post. Steve

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earnestshub Hub Author 11 months ago

Hello Inter_e.

Here is a place to get the calibration procedure and advice.

http://www.agequipment.co.uk/cali.html

I will look for a manual and if I find one I can send it to you.

inter_e 11 months ago

I have the manual and the calibration procedure, it just keeps failing and instead of CAL GOOD, I get CAL ER. Just needed to know if you know some simple things I can check or adjust since I have no one within 200 miles of me to work on this? Thanks for your help. Steve

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earnestshub Hub Author 11 months ago

It can be very frustrating looking for cal errors. :)

Level it and bolt it down first, then re-check the calibration.

I can't think of any way to repair the unit without a service manual to measure electronic output against. You may find one online. I will take a look online for you if you like.

inter_e 11 months ago

I will give it a try and see if I can locate one. That is kind of what I thought I might have to do. If I can find one for the John Bean 4100 would it be relatively the same or do I have to find the 2500 FMC only. I will get it bolted down and level first to make sure that I'm not getting any movement causing problems. Thanks for the tip and your help so far.

inter_e 10 months ago

Earnest, I bolted my FMC 2500 down to the floor and leveled it, Still gives me erroe message when I try to calibrate. Do you know how to test the sensors to see if they are bad. My machine came with a new one under the cover but I don't want to just switch it without testing the old ones. The circuit board looked descent with no burn marks or blown caps and diodes. From what I've read it sounds like a sensor (encoder) could be bad, but I don't know how to test with a meter, any help? Thanks, Steve

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earnestshub Hub Author 10 months ago

Steve, I went through all my manuals, and can't find anything.

If you contact these people from their front page http://www.agequipment.co.uk/cali.html

They will be able to help you hopefully. I will keep looking, I have a helluva lot of information to go through, but I feel confident you will be OK with the link above.

inter_e 10 months ago

earnest thanks for the reply. I sent them an e-mail and maybe they will be able to help more, but thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Steve

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earnestshub Hub Author 10 months ago

You are welcome Steve. If I turn up any data on your machine I will send it to you as a PDF.

Kean 10 months ago

that was a very informative article. Thanks for this

RavenR 10 months ago

hi,i took out my old beissbarth w416 wheel balancer.it was a great machine but not up to date, so we packed it away. however after good several years while cleaning up we took it out and plugged it up.IT CAME ON,butnothing happens on the display when spinning the wheel,just 00.None of the arrow lights plus weight position light comes on.Power light is on plus lcd shows 00 but nothing else.Any ideas on what could be wrong?

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earnestshub Hub Author 10 months ago

Hi Raven. I would be opening it up and looking for a loose wire, or to see if rodents have eaten the wiring . Nothing else springs to mind at this time.

After checking that everything is intact I would be looking for a repair manual.

I have little experience of the 416 as the ones that came to Australia had a poorly designed mounting for the arbour and constantly broke, so that was the only repairs I have done to one.

If I can find a wiring diagram or manual I can send it to you, but I don;t hold out much hope for finding one.

RavenR 10 months ago

Thanks Earnest for your help. I gave up on this machine and will through it out. Its not worth the effort. Here in south africa the new coats corghi and hunter machines are prohibitely expensive around 6000 AUD. I am getting a great deal on a new 'BRIGHT' and 'MASTER' machines for 850 AUD. I have a medium size workshop and was thinking maybe this might be the way to go. Any comments on these new machines?

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earnestshub Hub Author 10 months ago

No comment other than they will not last. There has to be a better way to go than that. What about buying a decent quality machine off Bob at Allstates in America? He will ship one out to you.

RavenR 10 months ago

thanks will try!

allistair 10 months ago

Would any one know where to get a lamp for a Repco 471.A balancer

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earnestshub Hub Author 10 months ago

No, they are no longer available, but they still make a unit the same with different voltage, but I wire two of these together. Take it too your best radio parts or electronic store. The staff should be able to show you how to wire them together and wrap some nichrome wire around the outside for induction, Works as good as the old one!

Make sure the capacitor with it is working. It's mounted in the same place.

allistair 9 months ago

Thanks for that but do you know what type of lamps and voltage of lamps and do you just series them up or parallel them cheers

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earnestshub Hub Author 9 months ago

They are a high voltage tube the capacity should be written on the glass or the capacitor, or simply take the old one with you, as how they are wired will depend on what you can buy in the way of a replacement where you are. I will look up values or send you a manual if you like. I find it hard to keep it all in my head now that I no longer work with them.

allistair 9 months ago

Thanks that would be great

allistair 9 months ago

If you want to e-mail me that stuff my e-mail is

allistair@johnstoneelectrical.co.nz

Snowracer 6 months ago

Hi, i recently got a Beissbarth W447 tire balance machine for free. I do tho have major troubles finding out how to calibrate this machine? It does not have any displays so i can't relate to any of the methods of calibration of other models. It just have big turning knobs for the wheel size, width and distance from the machine. Any possibility anyone can help me out?

raj 6 months ago

sir,please provide me service manual of tyre changer monty1100 of hofmann and wheel balancer geodyna 3001 of hofmann,my mail id balu_mes47@rediffmail.com

Nigel 5 months ago

Hi, I am in Queensland, Australia & where I work has a Repco Computer Wheel Balancer model 471. The mechanic who works with me (an old Pom!) tried it out once & couldn't work out why the wheels weren't balancing properly & hasn't been used since. I was wondering if you could help me out please & also help me locate a manual for it please?

CHARLIE R. 5 months ago

I HAVE A JMC 4100 THAT ALSO JUST KEEPS RUNNING WHEN YOU TRY TO CALIBRATE. DID YOU EVER FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS ON THAT OTHER MACHINE WHEN IT WASN'T THE RELAYS.

CHARLIE R. 5 months ago

I ALSO TRIED THE F50 CODE AND IT CAME UP WITH A DASH MARK ON LEFT SIDE SCREEN AND A 259 ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN I ROTATED THE ARBER IT WOULD FLASH FROM 255 TO 259 ON RT SIDE AND DASH ON LFT SIDE WOULD JUST BLINK. MACHINE WAS GIVEN TO ME AND WAS JUST WANDERING IF ITS WORTH IT TO KEEP AND PURCHASE THE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.

CHARLIE R. 5 months ago

I ALSO TRIED THE F50 CODE AND IT CAME UP WITH A DASH MARK ON LEFT SIDE SCREEN AND A 259 ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN I ROTATED THE ARBER IT WOULD FLASH FROM 255 TO 259 ON RT SIDE AND DASH ON LFT SIDE WOULD JUST BLINK. MACHINE WAS GIVEN TO ME AND WAS JUST WANDERING IF ITS WORTH IT TO KEEP AND PURCHASE THE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.

Pete 5 months ago

Do you or anyone here have any comments on a Norton tire balancer? I found one that works ( balances ) but the brake doesn't. Is this a machine worth trying to fix?

olliehack 4 months ago

I have a repco 471 e. The eletrical contactor is not working think it got damp it is us. Any idea where i can get one.

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