Can you really run your car on water?
75Run your car on water?
This is as simple as ABC folks. You cannot claim that a device defies the first law of thermodynamics and get away with it unscathed.
Motor engineers like myself have put these things to the test under controlled conditions (on a dyno) hooked up to the works including a 5 gas emission analyser and an engine analyser.
We are so confident that they cannot and do not work, that one individual has offered a one million dollar prize to the maker of the first working fuel device. His money is safe. The EPA agrees after extensive tests that none work as claimed, and some damage motors.
If you are flogging a fuel saving device online STOP NOW!
This is fraud! You can go to Jail for it. I know that the Australian and American Governments are going after these devices as well as the ACCC.
The ACCC have just prosecuted one of these crooks and the rest will follow in time.
(Update. Google has started to ban the promotion of these so called fuel saving devices)
We could all guess that fuel prices will go back up. New emission and carbon taxes will hurt suppliers like Canada who get their oil from a carbon intensive process.
Next time fuel prices rise again the many fuel devices will be with us even more than now as long as they are not banned for false advertising.
Affiliate marketing schemes on the Internet will keep selling them even though they do not work at all until they are prosecuted.
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Fuel devices simply do not work
No if's but's or maybe's They do not work at all!
That's right. Not even one of them works. It is all a big con. If you bought one of these things, I dare you to test it properly and scientifically. You will have to do better homework folks. You are wasting your money as a user or seller, and if you are a seller you will soon be looking at fines or worse, as well as private litigation. When Governments and other interested parties finish looking at these devices they will ban the sale of them, opening up the potential for buyers to sue you for a whole bunch of things.
Fuel saving fraud
A beautiful ICE for bigger vehicles
With this equipment the truth comes out on the printout.
Any four or five gas analyzer will disprove this rubbish
In my industry you will get laughed out of the room if you believe this sort of fuel/water/gas bull crap.
The first law of thermo-dynamics eliminates the possibility of these devices working, and if that is not enough proof for you, go have a look at the EPA site. They have tested more than 100 fuel saving products. That's right, none work even a little bit, and many cause more pollution and worse economy.
Here is a hubpage with a lot of EPA and product info that debunks fuel saving devices.
All the Fuel-Saving Devices that do nothing but rip you off
Here is an authoritative site that tells it all in detail with all the tech stuff as well.
http://fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm
Or click on the link at the bottom of this page.
Gas Savers Fraud
these so-called "gas saver" - products allegedly give better gas mileage than you could imagine.Claims of 40% savings are not uncommon from half baked home tests by people trying to justify all the expense and crap they went through to fit the useless rubbish.
Imagine on folks, independent studies by Consumer authorities the Environmental Protection Agency and MSU professors, have shown that none of these products produce significant fuel savings.A one percent saving would be enough to hit worldwide headlines and send the car industry in to a flap to be the first to gain even a one percent improvement in consumption.
Honda would love to know.
Contact Honda quick.
I just read a claim of 47% saving on fuel with a browns gas device.Cheeky! 47%? Quick, ring Honda and tell them. They will pay millions for it, as they have already spent 100's of millions to get to today's fuel efficient cars, and an improvement of 47% would allow them to dominate the entire world market.
The fuel economy race is so fierce amongst car manufacturers that if you could prove a 2% saving they would knock your door down to give you money.
I am over all the self serving conspiracy theories. They are completely false.
Do you really believe that Toyota or Honda do not know how to make one of these water conversions as an OEM when we all know they would become the world leader in car sales overnight? If so, you almost deserve one of these things fitted. Wake up. It is a pack of lies.
Myths.
The Conspiracy myths.
The fuel conspiracy myths exist because too many motorists never read anything thicker than a comic, get their news from tabloids, and would not know the difference between a con-rod and a canary.
To add another bird to the mix, they are sitting ducks for fuel saving devices and other quackery!
CNN ran a story on fuel savers then the moron newsreader endorsed it!
We had a comedy show here in Australia that parodied CNN called CNN&N.
It was all about how bloody gullible and self serving CNN news is. It hit the nail on the head and had a huge following!
Fairies in the garden and gnomes in the woods with fuel saving devices strapped to their little cars. Sure I can believe that.
I liked the movie "The hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy" solution. Send all these half-witted thieves to another planet!
Imagine going on the Internet and not finding any snake oil salesmen....what a joy that would be.
They are burning most of the bandwidth that could be used by honest people to sell stuff that worked. Come to think of it, I will go and see if someone has built a site called "stuff that real and works just like I said it would."
Gas Savers in the News
Jul-17-06: Consumer Reports claims that gas saver products just don't work. The EPA tested 109 products and found none of them worked.[ABC NEWS]
Aug-06-04: MSU Professors claim that fuel additives and fuel saver products have a "minor effect" or are completely bogus. No great breakthroughs here. [MSU]
You do not have to take my word for this as you can find the truth at any of the links provided, and the evidence is damning. You will never see or hear any motor engineers promoting them. Motor engineers went to school.
I could be making 15k a month off just one of these fraudulent products as others are doing now.(some self proclaimed guru named Chris from England comes to mind)
I have no incentive or motive for making this information available other than to stop the public from getting ripped off.
My business is selling the type of equipment that none of these peddlers of lies want to know about.
I service rebuild and sell automotive workshop vehicle test equipment, and no I am not going to link my business or promote it here.
The vicious cycle!
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Oh and.. go tell CNN they are false advertising..
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/06/bush-ene
And Bush too on your way there
Oh and.. go tell CNN they are false advertising..
(That links redirects to CNN.com News)
And Bush too on your way there
Thanks for the input TRich.
I would not have thought being new to internet marketing was a crime.
I also do not see how that would affect or be a measure of my intelligence either. Internet marketing is only one thing that I do. I do some other things quite well.I am a good squat and listen grandpa for example and that, like internet marketing uses a lot of time.I already know it is hard online and some of my long time friends make a very healthy living online.
I am ok with you disagreeing but your attempts at being sarcastic are pathetic!
As you have a vested interest I would hope the hub articles that are linked would have been worth a look just to make very sure of your truth or to see if you really could get the hell out and find another niche.
Make sure you research it better than you did this one.
You should have read all the the article, especially the bit about fuel savers on ABC TV.
The problem with breaking scientific laws is you can't.
Say what you will the laws of science will not change.
btw I have contacted CNN and I will not hold my breath waiting for a reply.
Get out of this scam, and while we are being rude, your reply is full of typos which in your case may be related to not being thorough enough.
Okay, I might have been rude !
But your attempt at laughing at me for my orthograph mistakes isn't much smarter than what I read before. English is my third language, so whenever you will be able to speak three language and not make that many mistakes, then you will be allowed another comment like this. I rather try my best than saying :
Que tu n'est qu'un homme tellement inconfiant que tu prends plaisir à essayer de démolir les travaux des autres afin de te remonter, au lieu de t'efforcer à bien accomplir les tiens en remplissant ton temps de passe-temps utiles. Sans aucun doutes dépourvu pleinement de potentiel, tu a prouvé n'être qu'un être futile, sans raisons d'être, qui s'appauvrit intellectuellement au lieu de bien investir ses efforts à construire un empire qui te servira de support pour le reste de tes jours. Mets-sa dans ta pipe pauvre tache, tiens !!
Oh, and good thing for you to have contacted CNN, but any smart enough internet marketers would stop wasting his time with stupid things like that and reinvest that previous time into building your own business.. instead of trying to demolish other people's effort to make you look better than you really are.
But you are one hell of a good folks, I know that, so keep being on the right path!
Good luck in life ;) Love ya !
Why are you obsessed with internet marketing?
Wasn't there something in the rules about everything being in English. At least we can read babble in English and know its babble.
agree with that french guy..
Doing things like that i actually very stupid..
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What do you agree with? Do you agree with him for selling something that does not work?
Or agree with him for being so dishonest?
The rest of it is trivial and unimportant.
I did say that he had typo's, and that was not my usual style, and yes it may have been stupid of me to point it out.
You should remember this guy is an internet marketer, marketing in English, so typos are not a good look for a so called professional.
It was arrogant of him to go in to a rave about language as he does not know anything about my linguistic ability.
To post in another language is rude to other bloggers too.
He could have looked at what he wrote or done a quick spell-check.
Thumb up to this hub!
earnestshub - you're right. It is a scam.
Intersting hub. I agree.
Great hub brother man.
Allow me to shamelessly plug my own article on this very same subject... then I will flame this thread with my own finger pointing tongue lashing and stir the pot a bit mua ha ha ha
http://hubpages.com/_PLMonline/hub/Does-Water4Gas-
As promised, here is some of my own toxic shit I would like to dump here and bash you guys about this. (My apologies... I couldn't resist. My "emotions" got the best of me and I simply cannot stop myself even as I write this)
When it comes to Internet marketing, I get irritated by the folks that do this full time like myself and start name calling others. Trich... shame on you for flamming earnest here and possibly other IMeres starting out. In other words, don't start a cock sparring contest and compare you size to another man's simply because he's starting out. Slinging mud isn't a way to run a business or be professional. You should know better. I get annoyed quickly so forgive my blunt and tactless "biker attitude" nature. I'll get over myself here fairly quickly, just bear with me for a second.
Noobies and Low brows... that's what we all were at one time wasn't it? Complete utter freakin noobs? Maybe you weren't... Maybe you were just to cool for the rest of us and proven your obvious superiority by tearing down the noobs. Don't quit your day job eh?
Pissed off yet? Starting to see my point?
The fact of the matter is, no professional would succumb to his own emotions to engage in juvenile behavior. (holy crap... I'm doing it here!) Now obviously I do not know what comments earnesthub posted to your blog... and I don't really even give a rat's ass to be brutally honest. Maybe he attacked you and called you every name in the book...
Guess what.
If you're promoting something unethical... in my book you deserve to be flamed, flogged, trolled, and proverbially get your butt kicked. And there's an opinion for you. That's right... it's my OPINION. Nothing more, ...nothing less.
I've heard come out of the mouths of several affiliate marketers on this subject many times. It rubs me the wrong way whenever I hear another man say how he could care less what kind of horseshit he was selling just so long as it's making HIM money... who cares about anyone else. This is a true statement I've heard by more then just 1 person to. Know what... that's his right and his choice to run his business the way he wants to. I believe in Murphy's Law and I'm firmly convinced that if this is the true nature of an affiliate marketer, then sooner or later it will catch up to you. It's not the way I run my business and I'm sure earnesthub obviously has a moral conflict and stands by his convictions when dealing with things he believes in and fiercly supports. That's just called integrity bruddas... and frankly I wish more men had it. But it's their god given nature to be however the F they want to right? ...okay
Here's the dealio...
What I believe in ethically, may NOT be what another man believes in ethically ...and in truth I in turn could be living my life in another man's eyes, based on his country, or religious believes in a fashion that is utterly despicable and deserving of death. (I'm sure you can see my point with the example of extremist muslims hmmmm?
So the point I am making and typically get long winded, long in the tooth, and otherwise talk way to long about? Nothing really. I forgot what I wanted to say. I'm sorry for wasting your time. =-)
-see I'm over it now!
Have a nice day!
PLM Thanks for supporting the intent of my article. I have linked to your hub on this page already
I come from a perspective of a single mother who really felt the impact on my budget when gas prices got up to ~$4.00/gallon last year. My daughter and I intend to build an HHO device amd place it on our vehicle ourselves over the summer to test whether it improves the fuel efficiency of my Subaru. I'll let you know our results.
Dont do it! Read this hub carefully, there are ways to save fuel, but these devices save nothing, nilche nada!
i think your in bed with oil companys and you dont know what your saying , bmw just produced a hydrogen car and for sale to public , look around the world and see the polution from petrolium , go to philoppines and see the polution sick people from petrol motors
even if it didnt save one cent its still good as its clean ? and free, id listen but , you got nothing to back up your bs. only ---- maybe or ill informed
What are you on about John, cars do not run on water, are not enhanced in anyway by water and the EPA says so as well.As for my credentials, I think you better take another look! You have not considered how to fuel the existing world fleet of 600 million ICE's and offer no viable transition.
Hi Earnest,
Just a quick one here on BMW which I am a great FAN of. This link is on the newest BMW 7 series hybrid engine using hydrogen. --->> http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/bmw-hydrog
True there are some systems that suck, specially when e-marketers try their best selling e-books on this subject like Pros and will not be able to do a simple oil change or regular service! But this doesn't mean that certain systems do not perform truly well.
If not mistaken, IRS even has a fuel subsidy on truly proven and professionally installed systems. I am not speaking of the general DIY installed systems in a backyard, but proper systems which produce the needed hydrogen on demand, while engine is working. No hydrogen storage when engine is Off.
NASA even did tests in as early as 25-30 years ago, not sure if engine was diesel, but there was better fuel consumption, less heat energy produced (less normal working temp) and emission levels did improve vastly.
As an E31 8 series (CSi) (Gas Guzzler - But FUN)owner I might be biased towards BMW, but surely they are at the forefront of technology, which also means they are continually doing their R&D. They will surely not launch something which doesn't make sense and they have been moving onto the Green Tech for quite a while, ironically after the E31 production was nearing its end.
Do you have any test results to prove that the HHO sytem just don´t Work if you do please share with us if yo don´t well thank you for your opinion and let the people find out by their own.
one little question do you belive in the water injection system?
tata you did not read the hub, or have no knowledge of 1st year science.
Or is it simpler than that?
You flog this crap and have no idea about truth or morals?
There is a huge difference in converting hydrogen from water using a vehicles electricity supply which science proves is a power loss not gain, and an electric motor or ICE driven by a hydrogen fuel cell.
Hi Kevin. We are talking two different things here.
Hydrogen fuel cell technology is a different subject, and I wrote a hub on it. The new Honda Clarity FCX. It is even better use of the technology than BMW!
Mr. earnestshub sounds like you also have an interest in the petroleum industry. They have been buying off and destroying every fuel saving carburetor and any other invention that would interfere with their fuel market for years.
msngr321 That must be the most ignorant and stupid comment so far from those who perpetrate this nonsense.
I have the test equipment, knowledge and experience.
What do you have to back up your rubbish.
A conspiracy theory. How appropriate!
We are still waiting for someone to collect the million dollars offered for the first one that works!
You can't run a car on water. However, you can run a car on hydrogen derived from water. Many of you responding here should learn to read more carefully.
You can run a car on hydrogen through a hydrogen fuel cell very effectively although the tech is still new. (See my hub on the Honda Clarity) but if you are talking about ICE's fitted with hydrogen/water there is no increase in fuel savings and often a loss. A million dollars still stands for the first :genius" to prove otherwise.
No big surprises there, as these devices all break the first law of thermodynamics.
Well i just have to give Earnestshub A+ and had all sheilds up and activated,useing hydrogen ion batterys.NO FLUNG ON ME!
TRich 3 years ago
wow..you are right buddy; you truly are just a beginner in internet marketing, and obvisously you will keep your dayjob for years again because all you say is bs..
Before posting negative comments on people's blog, why dont you make sure of what you are saying. The fact that you cannot understand how something works doesnt mean its a scam.
First, there is only a few states in the us banning this system, and petrol industry has something to do like this, but you obviously are not clever enough to understand this.
2nd, this has been sold hundreds of thousands of time and has a refund rate under 2%.. if you are any smarties with your internet marketing buddy, this should light your lightbulb up there !
Oh and by the way, Elvis is still alive on that island and we never went on the moon.. that's it right ?!?!?
Finally, why don't you get something to do with your time.. like maybe learning a bit more about internet marketing ? :D
Have a good day man !